JCLP Featuring Rich Birch

Rich Birch has been in church leadership for over 20 years. He had the privilege of leading in one of the very first multisite churches in North America and has served on several highly influential church teams including Connexus Community Church and Liquid Church.

He’s the founder of Unseminary and his latest book is, Church Growth Flywheel: 5 Practical Systems to Drive Growth at Your Church.


Highlights from our conversation:

  • What Disney’s Galaxy’s Edge tells us about how to engage with people.
  • The unique dynamics of first chair and second chair leadership
  • What is on the horizon that leaders need to be paying attention to.
  • Why leaders need to live at the intersection of vision and reality.

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JCLP Featuring Dee Ann Turner

You all are gonna love this one!

Dee Ann is a 33-year veteran of Chick-fil-A, Inc. Prior to retirement in 2018, she was Vice President, Talent and Vice President, Sustainability. The company’s first female officer, she was instrumental in building and growing Chick-fil-A’s well-known culture and talent systems. During her long career, she worked closely with Chick-fil-A’s founder, S. Truett Cathy, and other key leaders as an architect of their organizational culture. Additionally, she led Talent Management, Staff Learning and Development, Diversity and Inclusion, and Culture and Engagement.

Today, she leads her own organization, Dee Ann Turner, LLC, writing books, speaking to over 50 audiences per year and consulting and coaching leaders globally. She is the author of the bestseller, It’s My Pleasure: The Impact of Extraordinary Talent and a Compelling Culture. Her latest book, Bet On Talent, will be released in September 2019.

Highlights from our conversation:

• Dee Ann’s recipe for a remarkable culture
• How she discovered that her calling was to help others find and develop their calling
• Her greatest learning from @chickfila founder Truett Cathy
• The important difference between principles and rules

This one is SOOO good! Go listen, rate, review, and share!

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Pre-order her new book: Bet on Talent

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JCLP Featuring Troy Polluck

Troy is the VP of Community at Pushpay, a software company based in Redmond, WA. As the first U.S. employee, he has helped shape the company to be one of the fastest growing SaaS companies today. He has been an integral part of the development, strategic planning, and “hyper-growth” classification that surrounds the success of Pushpay internationally. Prior to joining Pushpay, Troy helped pioneer a healthy church in Southern California, where he served as an Executive for 6 years.

Highlights from our conversation:

  • How he led their team from 25 to 80 staff in 6 months
  • How he and the team at Pushpay exceeded their goal of $1 Billion in giving in less than 2 years
  • Why collective wisdom is significantly greater than independent wisdom
  • How if you hire the right people they’ll create the right product

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JCLP Featuring Matt Brown

Matt Brown is an evangelist, author and founder of Think Eternity.  He and his wife, Michelle, are impacting millions of people with the gospel each year online and through live events. They also minister to more than two million followers on social media daily.

Matt joins me on the podcast to share more about is new book Truth Plus Love.

Highlights from our conversation:

  • What it means to be an influencer for the sake of the gospel.
  • What does truth without love look like? What about love without truth?
  • Why the fruit of the spirit strengthens our EQ.
  • How is the world supposed to see the grace of God when the people of God aren’t gracious?

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JCLP Featuring Annie F. Downs


This one probably needs no introduction. I’ve had the privilege of knowing Annie F. Downs for 8 years or so. Every Enneagram 3 needs a good Enneagram 7 in their life and Annie is one of those 7s for me. She makes life better. She makes me better. She reminds me to “look for lovely”.

Just to make sure you have the details, Annie F. Downs is a bestselling author, nationally known speaker, and host of the popular That Sounds Fun Podcast. She’s the author of multiple bestselling books including Remember God, 100 Days to Brave, and Looking for Lovely.

Highlights from our conversation:

  • Hearing Annie’s journey to becoming a full-time author and speaker
  • Why leaps of faith are never a straight line from A to B
  • How to see rejection as roads signs/direction rather than personal
  • Why every leader needs to “just tell your story”
  • Getting a peek behind the scenes at Annie, the business leader
  • Annie’s advice to leaders: be fully yourself!

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Connect with Annie:

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Jenni Catron 4Sight Group Leadership Podcast Brad Lomenick

JCLP Featuring Brad Lomenick


Are you familiar with the Kevin Bacon rule?  According to Wikipedia, “Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon is a parlor game based on the “six degrees of separation” concept, which posits that any two people on Earth are six or fewer acquaintance links apart. Movie buffs challenge each other to find the shortest path between an arbitrary actor and prolific actor Kevin Bacon.”

Well, I submit that Brad Lomenick is the Kevin Bacon of Christian leadership.  If you don’t know Brad personally I’m pretty sure it will take six or fewer acquaintances to make the link.

We kick off this episode of the podcast with me sharing that theory as well as Brad telling a rather disparaging story about my skills at the game of corn hole (bean bag toss).  If you’re curious about one of my more embarrassing moments, you’ll want to take a listen!

Brad is a consultant, author, speaker and for 12 years served as the leader of Catalyst – a dynamic conference for young leaders.  He’s also the author of H3 Leadership: Be Humble. Stay Hungry. Always Hustle.

Highlights from our conversation:

  • Sometimes your most intentional influence is in a small circle of people.
  • What can you own/be the expert of?  How can you highlight and celebrate the work of others?  Brad started “The Young influencers List” over 10 years ago and it is a “go to” resource for identifying young and upcoming leaders.  
  • If you’re not bringing someone with you then you’re not truly leading.
  • So many leaders get to a place of unhealthy-ness because they are insecure.  
  • Be humble. Stay hungry.  Always hustle.


Listen to this episode via Apple PodcastsStitcherGoogle Play, or your favorite podcast app!

Connect with Brad:

Get the book!

Check out his website

Follow on Instagram


Jenni Catron 4Sight Group Leadership Podcast Jeanne Stevens

JCLP Featuring Jeanne Stevens

As iron sharpens iron… a friend who makes you better… that is who Jeanne Stevens is to me.  She’s strong, she’s tender, she’s fierce, she’s gentle.  We didn’t have nearly enough time to tap the depths of this women’s wisdom!

Jeanne Stevens is one of the lead pastors of Soul City Church in the dynamic West Loop neighborhood of Chicago, IL. Prior to starting Soul City Church in 2010, Jeanne served on the staff of Willow Creek Community Church for 11 years as a Student Ministry Pastor and on the staff of North Point Community Church for 4 years.

Highlights from our conversation:

  • She describes their adventurous leap of launching Soul City Church as a “holy adventure and transformational work”
  • Believes that if the Mission of the church is not working on her, then it is not working
  • “When we go back and rehash the past, or rehearse the future, we cannot receive the perspective God has for us in the present moment. In the receiving of the present moment, that is where God gives me the greatest perspective.”
  • “The hardest person we will ever lead is ourselves -We can’t lead ourself well if we can’t see ourself well.”
  • “A good leader leads in rhythm vs just balance – balance doesn’t exist.”
  • Question to ask those you lead: What’s it like to be on the other side of me?
  • Leadership lesson she wished she learned sooner: Lead with Less control


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Follow Jeanne on Instagram: @jeannestevens

Follow Soul City Church on Instagram: @soulcitychurch

Jenni Catron 4Sight Group Leadership Podcast Shannon mILES

JCLP Featuring Shannon Miles

“What single brave decision do you need to make today?”  Michael Hyatt

That was the quote at the top of my planner today and it seemed pretty fitting for my conversation with Shannon Miles.

Shannon is the CEO of BELAY Inc, an Inc 500 Fastest-Growing Company and winner of Culture IQ and Entrepreneur’s #1 Company Culture awards.  Since 2010, the company has grown to nearly seven hundred team members and serves nearly one thousand clients on a daily basis.

Shannon is the author of The Third Option: Why a Woman Doesn’t Have to Choose between a Career and Family, but Can Actually Have Both and Succeed

Highlights from our conversation:

  • While Shannon’s book is written for women, the principles of creating remote work options, flexible work schedules and fully distributed teams are really important for all leaders to understand.  I really leaned into this to learn how to be a better leader in a virtual world.
  • Questions we discussed: Can I have virtual staff? Can I trust them? Is it fair? How do I do it
  • Communication is always critical to success but in virtual cultures the communication threshold is so much higher.
  • Remote teams must be integrated and connected.  “If you start to feel disconnected, you’re going to act disconnected and there will be a disconnect.”
  • Create a virtual “happy hour”.  Such a fun idea!
  • Clarity, Accountability, Flexibility are key to healthy work cultures.

Listen to this episode via Apple PodcastsStitcherGoogle Play, or your favorite podcast app!

Connect with Shannon:

Get the book!

Check out BELAY

Follow on Instagram

Jenni Catron 4Sight Group Leadership Podcast Carey Nieuwhof

JCLP Featuring Carey Nieuwhof


In this episode, I have the privilege of interviewing a friend and leader whom I deeply admire and respect.

Carey Nieuwhof is founding pastor of Connexus Church and is the author of several bestselling books.  Carey blogs, podcasts, writes and speaks to church leaders around the world about leadership, change, and personal growth.

Carey’s recent book unpacks the 7 challenges that leaders encounter. 

Didn’t See It Coming: Overcoming the 7 Greatest Challenges that No One Expects but Everyone Experiences



Highlights from our conversation:

  • What determines the trajectory of a leader’s life? What are the self-limiting behaviors that take leaders out or hold them under?
  • Be well to lead well.
  • When you close your heart to people, you close your heart to God.
  • Disconnection is not a technological issue, it’s a human issue.
  • It doesn’t matter how much water you pour into your bucket if your bucket has holes in it.

Listen to this episode via Apple PodcastsStitcherGoogle Play, or your favorite podcast app!

Pre-order the book and get a bunch of great extras here: Didntseeitcomingbook.com

Follow Carey:

Facebook: @cnieuwhof

Twitter: @cnieuwhof

Instagram: @careynieuwhof


Jenni Catron 4Sight Group Leadership Podcast

The Jenni Catron Leadership Podcast is LIVE


After two years of dragging my feet and finding every excuse to delay, I am finally launching the Jenni Catron Leadership Podcast!!  Please celebrate with me and give me plenty of pats on the back because this Enneagram 3 “Achiever” has been totally stressing out about this unfulfilled goal!

The vision for the Jenni Catron Leadership Podcast is to equip leaders with the foresight for success.  

You all know I’m a get it done girl (except when it comes to podcast launches) and I love helping leaders remove obstacles, build their plan and align their team to achieve success.  

Behind it all is my core belief that leadership is sacred work… that as leaders we have influence. With influence comes the power to change and affect the lives of others. That realization should make you a little uneasy.  There’s great responsibility that comes with leadership. We’re accountable and I want to help all of us do this well.

The podcast will be a mix of interviews and teaching.  Some weeks you’ll get my thoughts on a key topic. Other weeks you’ll hear from some amazing leaders, some well known, some behind the scenes, but all extraordinary at what they do.  

Where culture and strategy collide is where I like to live so we’ll have a mix of team dynamics and practical solutions.  But the constant thread with be my deep passion to cultivate healthy leaders to lead thriving organizations. I deeply believe that when a leader is healthy, the overflow is a thriving team and a thriving organization.  This podcast features leaders like you who are passionate about leading well.

My mission is to inspire men and women at every level of leadership to recognize the habits, behaviors, and skills that will equip them to lead themselves well and lead others better.  

So please be sure to subscribe, rate, review, share – all the things to help me feel like finally accomplishing this goal was worth the effort.  I’m incredibly grateful for the privilege to invest in leaders. You all are doing amazing work in your circles of influence and I know I’m doing what God has called me to do when I’m equipping you with the tools to keep leading well!

We’ve launched with 4 amazing interviews featuring these great leaders:

Carey Nieuwhof – Pastor, Leader, Author & Podcaster

Shannon Miles – Co-Founder of Belay and Author of The Third Option

Brad Lomenick – Consultant, Author, Speaker

Jeanne Stevens – Co-Pastor of Soul City Church


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Who would you like to hear from?  What topics should we cover?